Julia, and Kylie watched the latest Star Wars movie because they are true nerds, but Gretchen didn’t. What are two girls to do but attempt to explain what they witnessed, while also discussing the ever-lovely Star Wars fandom at large.
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I haven’t seen the movie, but I do find it hilarious that Han Solo is now a Mary Sue who for no logical reason is an ace pilot and can speak alien dialects. We can only wonder why so many fan boys are eating that shit up vs. the reactions to Rey and everyone else in TFA and TLJ.
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He didn’t need a character arc because he was already perfection ^.^
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Actually, I’ve seen a lot them (well, those who didn’t boycott the film) call Han Solo call him a Gary Stu. So, I guess their willing to be consistent there.
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I went into this movie with VERY LOW expectations so as a result I…kind of ended up liking it? As a popcorn action flick with a few redeeming elements, but at least I didn’t feel my ticket money was wasted. On the L3 front, I read Daniel Jose Older’s novel Last Shot before I saw the movie. The frame of the plot takes place between ROTJ and TFA, but there are flashbacks for both Han and Lando. The flashback scenes for Lando and L3 fleshed the character out a lot more, and as a result I was predisposed to like… Read more »
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Yeah I will say with just Solo to go off of, L3 is an uphill battle. I’m glad the Lucasfilm storygroup still has their stuff together on that front.
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I think the joke with L3 is not that she wants rights, it’s that she’s a *droid* that wants rights. It’s like a tongue-in-cheek thing about how Star Wars has never really had a robot uprising despite that being such a common sci-fi trope. Also the idea of your toaster or smartphone “rebelling” is kind of funny. It’s not meant to be applicable or analagous to humans.
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Also this story clearly isn’t really meant to have a moral or even rudimentary themes. It’s just a fun, Old Hollywood-style adventure through the Star Wars universe. Nothing more. In that same vein, I don’t think you’re really meant to engage with the characters as such, but rather with the tropes, the setting, and the cultural artifacts of Star Wars for their own sake. (Thus the musical cues when we see things like Han’s iconic blaster or Chewie in the co-pilot’s seat.)
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I’d argue our entire podcast was engaging with the tropes. I think we just didn’t like them.
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That maybe true, but I think there’s a lot more interesting and fun films out there that are still running in theaters. I’d rather watch Infinity War or Deadpool 2 again than watch this again but YMMV.
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Well, the thing is that I indeed did not see Solo, so thanks for the very informative summary. One day it gets to Netflix or whatever and then I’ll probably watch it…
I’m slightly confused about Darth Maul though. I’m probably mixing things up and someone more knowledgable about the chronology can clarify, but didn’t he stop being a crime lord by the time the Empire took over? I thought he went into hiding on Malachor after Palps killed his brother, until Ezra bumped into him there in Rebels.
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I’m with you on Maul. I hadn’t thought of it when Kylie and Julia were talking, but you’re right. I had assumed he went into hiding/stopped being a crime lord after Ahsoka chose to save Rex and let Maul go. I suppose canon didn’t really tell us what he did in between that moment and when we pick again with him in Rebels, but still. This doesn’t fit very neatly with where he is once he comes back into the Rebels timeline (e.g., stranded on Malachor for years after having gone searching for the Sith Temple and his ship crashed).… Read more »
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The more I think about it, the weirder it seems to me. By the end of the movie Han’s probably only a few years away from the events of the New Hope at best? Well, some novel or comic book will probably smooth over the inconsistencies. Maybe Qu’ira (sp?) dethroned him as the super crime boss right afterwards and only then he remembered his old grudge against the Sith for some reason…
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It would have to be something like that. Unless Solo takes place earlier in the timeline. But if that’s the case, why end the movie with the clear seed to ANH? I’m with you, the more I think about it, the wonkier it seems.
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The most interesting thing about this podcast, for me at least, was seeing the gulf in between the kind of dumb shit we hand wave away in movies we like versus the dumb shit we nitpick in movies we don’t. And I say ‘we’ because we all do it. So much of the stuff you guys came down on (Corellian customs, Niffler poop, the Kessel Run space monster, the pretend Han-Chewie fight and Han speaking Shyrriwook (sic?)) I just didn’t really mind because I just generally enjoyed the ride. It was totally meaningless of course, but I didn’t really go… Read more »
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I haven’t seen the movie, but I do find it hilarious that Han Solo is now a Mary Sue who for no logical reason is an ace pilot and can speak alien dialects. We can only wonder why so many fan boys are eating that shit up vs. the reactions to Rey and everyone else in TFA and TLJ.
He didn’t need a character arc because he was already perfection ^.^
Actually, I’ve seen a lot them (well, those who didn’t boycott the film) call Han Solo call him a Gary Stu. So, I guess their willing to be consistent there.
I went into this movie with VERY LOW expectations so as a result I…kind of ended up liking it? As a popcorn action flick with a few redeeming elements, but at least I didn’t feel my ticket money was wasted. On the L3 front, I read Daniel Jose Older’s novel Last Shot before I saw the movie. The frame of the plot takes place between ROTJ and TFA, but there are flashbacks for both Han and Lando. The flashback scenes for Lando and L3 fleshed the character out a lot more, and as a result I was predisposed to like… Read more »
Yeah I will say with just Solo to go off of, L3 is an uphill battle. I’m glad the Lucasfilm storygroup still has their stuff together on that front.
I think the joke with L3 is not that she wants rights, it’s that she’s a *droid* that wants rights. It’s like a tongue-in-cheek thing about how Star Wars has never really had a robot uprising despite that being such a common sci-fi trope. Also the idea of your toaster or smartphone “rebelling” is kind of funny. It’s not meant to be applicable or analagous to humans.
Also this story clearly isn’t really meant to have a moral or even rudimentary themes. It’s just a fun, Old Hollywood-style adventure through the Star Wars universe. Nothing more. In that same vein, I don’t think you’re really meant to engage with the characters as such, but rather with the tropes, the setting, and the cultural artifacts of Star Wars for their own sake. (Thus the musical cues when we see things like Han’s iconic blaster or Chewie in the co-pilot’s seat.)
I’d argue our entire podcast was engaging with the tropes. I think we just didn’t like them.
That maybe true, but I think there’s a lot more interesting and fun films out there that are still running in theaters. I’d rather watch Infinity War or Deadpool 2 again than watch this again but YMMV.
Well, the thing is that I indeed did not see Solo, so thanks for the very informative summary. One day it gets to Netflix or whatever and then I’ll probably watch it…
I’m slightly confused about Darth Maul though. I’m probably mixing things up and someone more knowledgable about the chronology can clarify, but didn’t he stop being a crime lord by the time the Empire took over? I thought he went into hiding on Malachor after Palps killed his brother, until Ezra bumped into him there in Rebels.
I’m with you on Maul. I hadn’t thought of it when Kylie and Julia were talking, but you’re right. I had assumed he went into hiding/stopped being a crime lord after Ahsoka chose to save Rex and let Maul go. I suppose canon didn’t really tell us what he did in between that moment and when we pick again with him in Rebels, but still. This doesn’t fit very neatly with where he is once he comes back into the Rebels timeline (e.g., stranded on Malachor for years after having gone searching for the Sith Temple and his ship crashed).… Read more »
The more I think about it, the weirder it seems to me. By the end of the movie Han’s probably only a few years away from the events of the New Hope at best? Well, some novel or comic book will probably smooth over the inconsistencies. Maybe Qu’ira (sp?) dethroned him as the super crime boss right afterwards and only then he remembered his old grudge against the Sith for some reason…
It would have to be something like that. Unless Solo takes place earlier in the timeline. But if that’s the case, why end the movie with the clear seed to ANH? I’m with you, the more I think about it, the wonkier it seems.
The most interesting thing about this podcast, for me at least, was seeing the gulf in between the kind of dumb shit we hand wave away in movies we like versus the dumb shit we nitpick in movies we don’t. And I say ‘we’ because we all do it. So much of the stuff you guys came down on (Corellian customs, Niffler poop, the Kessel Run space monster, the pretend Han-Chewie fight and Han speaking Shyrriwook (sic?)) I just didn’t really mind because I just generally enjoyed the ride. It was totally meaningless of course, but I didn’t really go… Read more »